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kill all the gays
and the faggots
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whaaaaaaat
>>101065
Why do the names turn white sometimes
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>>101091
Because they sage it, you can click on the name, and one of the side effects is it does not bump the thread.
Why are all black kitties like this?
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>>101096
This is slander and propaganda
#NotAllBlackKitties
>>101096
because they are BASED
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Didn't need my penis anyways.
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>>101136
You need it for urination.
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>>101143
kindly put a 350 bushmaster into your skull
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>>101144
What was it
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>>101147
probably something extremely homosexual and trans coded
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>>101150
mods only delete bigot posts tho
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>>101155
those things aren't mutually exclusive
i dont get why if transgenders constantly claim its dehumanizing to suggest someone should refer to themselves as a different gender than they do currently, that they would also constantly suggest that cis people start referring to themselves as the opposite gender
im guessing thats what that is, i suppose it could just be referring to genderbend art but ive seen a lot more of what im talking about so im going to go with that
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>>101180
Care to rephrase what the actual question is?
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>>101183
i mean for example ive seen people say that if youre a guy and you play as a girl in a game youre actually a trans girl. the word they use for this is an "egg"
it just bothers me that i see them say that its rude to suggest that they could be wrong about their gender just for them to suggest it to others. im wondering why they do this. do they not care about being rude? do they not see it as rude and theres some context im missing?
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>this thread
>>101186
>im wondering why they do this. do they not care about being rude? do they not see it as rude and theres some context im missing?
The "context" your missing is that you refuse to see the "contradictions" in your activity and disagreed with a person who had undergone a "divine awakening" about the "true nature" of the politics and reality related to sexuality. Specifically that you're still engaging in your "cognative dissonance" to keep yourself imprisonned instead of being literally and unironically reborn as your own Transgender Christ. Here's a more detailed explanation of the concept: https://archive.ph/KITgR
<One of the architects of Queer Theory was Judith Butler, whose work it has been said can be reduced to the following six words: "Life is drag; drag is life." What this refers to is her concept of "gender performativity." Another more modern way to summarize it is "all gender expression is gender cosplay."
<The idea behind gender performativity is that all expressions of "gender" are, in fact, performances. If the underlying biological substrate of sex (male or female) matters at all, it doesn't matter at all to how we interact socially or in how we see ourselves as people. It doesn't factor in at all.
<Instead, we aren't living as members of our sex with all attendant diversity; we're performing our gender as a role, somewhat like on a stage ("all the world's a stage") but more like the way a professional plays the role of his career.
<For example, consider a hypothetical judge, Judge Smith. Judge Smith might just be Bob in his day-to-day life, just another upper-middle class guy with a professional class job and country-club lifestyle, but when he puts on the robes and sits at the bench, etc., he's "Judge Smith." Judge Smith talks in ways becoming of a judge, dresses as a judge, uses a judicial-specific dialect of English, etc., but Bob doesn't usually. Judge Smith is a performance.
<That performance is meant to do an array of social signaling, particularly of his judicial authority, not just to others but also to himself. The entire courtroom engages in an extended performance too, calling him "Your Honor," for example, and deferring to his judgments and leadership of the court. It's all just an act to convey a kind of professional status that "Judge Smith" has but that isn't located intrinsically (or essentially) anywhere in Bob.
<This idea of "performativity" comes from J.L. Austin from a lecture series in the mid-1950s, and Judith Butler appropriated it rather badly into her critical constructivist view of sex, gender, and sexuality (what became called "Queer Theory") in the 1980s, expressing the idea most fully in her two most famous books, Gender Trouble (1990) and Bodies that Matter (1993). Her idea was, as I said, all of "gender" is the same kind of social-signaling performance.
<Thus, her work can be summarized in those six words: "Life is drag; drag is life." Drag is a stylized and deliberately parodic (like parody) performance of sex, but given as a performance of "gender." An obvious male portrays himself as a highly stereotypical female in the "drag queen." An obvious female portrays herself as a caricatured male in the "drag king" (less common). Butler's wacky idea is that everyone is actually doing drag all the time.
<If you are male and acting female, you're a male doing female drag, but if you're a male acting male, you're a male doing male drag. You're still doing drag. The same goes for women. Everyone is doing drag all the time. Much in those two books specifically discusses the role drag performances play in formulating her conception of "gender performativity," in fact. It's not an idle correlation; it's intentional.
<Moreover, Judith Butler's idea is that all of society goes along with and reinforces these performances. Men are supposed to play "male drag," and women are supposed to do "female drag." For her, this establishes a sociognostic circumstance ("system of oppression") called gender normativity that came to be called "cisnormativity": your "performed gender" is socially and sometimes legally expected to match your sex.
<Her idea is that people learn to do these signals from people already enacting the society-wide "drag" drama, whether to fit in, avoid trouble, get advantages, or whatever else, and they replicate the performance from one person to another. Thus we're all complicit in spreading the "performative drag" to everyone and reinforcing the sociognostic circumstance of normativity.
<To "queer" something, as it came to be known, is to challenge this whole "production" and its underlying assumptions and actual truths through deliberate parodic "drag" performances outside of the normative range. See, Judith Butler didn't believe the normative frame could be overcome, but it could still be mocked. She called this approach "the politics of parody," again based on drag (and the fact that drag queens are doing critical and deconstructive performances in womanface, ultimately).
<The idea behind this strategy is to transgress the boundaries of normalcy in the name of overcoming alleged repression or perceived oppression (oppression in a free society tends to be a matter of histrionic interpretation). It is to slowly erode the concept of normativity by mocking it around its edges and shocking the conscience further away from them. The goal is to dissolve the stability and connection to reality that the norms provide and represent.
<So, to queer is to transgress with a deliberate aim of dissolving or moving the so-called "Overton window" of acceptable "performances" of self, particularly relevant to sex, "gender" (stereotypes about sex roles), and sexuality.
<It is possible to transgress those boundaries through performative cosplay in another way. Rather than seeking to transgress against norms believed (or just said) to be too repressive, you could transgress against norms believed (or just said) to be too licentious. That is, rather than asserting normal and healthy boundaries based in reality, morality, decency, stability, etc., one could engage in a kind of virtue-signaling cosplay performance of strict, narrow, and old-fashioned modes of expression, including around sex, gender, and sexuality.
<The name for this "reverse queering" we use today is "Trad," which is a kind of faddish style and commodity-identity that people can take up and perform in a variety of ways, especially at the conference scene and on Instagram.
<"Trad" seemingly refers to "traditional" or "traditionalist," but that's only where it gets its inspiration. It is not actually traditionalist except in pastiche, and it attaches to no living tradition whatsoever. While someone might like 1950s styles today, for example, to suddenly adopt them outside of the continuity of the evolution of culture and style is, in fact, a performative action. It's wanting to be seen in a particular way and to see oneself in a particular way in a very fake-it-til-you-make-it way. It is, in short, a "gender" performance, just not one expanding the range through artificial manipulation (queering) but contracting it artificially. That is, it's the same activity.
<When this performativity is adopted for deliberate political ends or means, it is, in fact, a kind of "politics of parody" through performative negation of the current mode and current style. It remains essentially a kind of queering, however, and it is still living life deliberately in drag for political ends, which is what Queer Theory claims as its raison d'etre, at least in a certain way.
<Because it is "trad performativity" (or, "trad drag," if you prefer) and because the traditions it draws from are not living traditions at all, "Trad" actually refers to pseudo-traditionalism, a kind of act pretending to be traditionalist while being conspicuously not in line with living tradition anywhere. Because of the break it represents, it is also a (mild, for now) form of transgression, though there are associated things that are not so mild (e.g., whatever the radicals mean by "based," which isn't "based in reality and principle").
<Am I saying you shouldn't be "Trad"? No, not really. It's (still, for now) a free country, or free society, and you can represent yourself as you wish (again, for now). You should just be clear on what you're adopting: a form of queering just as queer as queering but with a mind to constrict norms rather than expand them. You're as free as you want to be a Queer Theorist in your own fashion.
<Judith Butler might grumble about the expression, but if she understands her own theory, she'd strongly approve.
<PS: Most of the people posting this performativity on the 'Gram aren't living any more of a "Trad" life, much less a traditionalist one, than Bob would wear his judges robes to the golf course on Saturday afternoon. Those people are a TV show, and they might be taking you to the cleaners.
>>101192
holy meds
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>>101193
You wanted an explanation for how mentally unstable people justify their actions.
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>>101194
that guy isn't me i'd just call them trannies and leave it at that
She'd never say that tho, this is an edit and OP is a faggot
>>101192
no im being serious
i want to know how they see it
also i know you seem to think its some sort of ego thing but i would guess its just them not wanting to come to terms with them not actually communicating well so they call any claim that they are bad communicators bad faith and disrespectful
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>>101192
wait sorry about>>101197
is that someones actual thoughts on the matter? i dont understand 90% of the words there
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>>101198
The first paragraph literally talks about unironically being reborn as a transgender Christ via divine awakenings. Dude is schizo as it gets
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>>101180
Most people in general have a pretty single minded view of morality (i:e I'm in the right and anyone against me is in the wrong) when someone maps that onto politics suddenly it becomes a good to evil spectrum and lets them justify whatever they want to themselves. Any insecurity over doubt in the cause is shouted down in there mind to adhere to their groups beliefs. (Standpoint epistemology roughly 1/2 to 1/3 of the population operates this way.

mix that with sexual fetishes, mind altering hormones, barbaric surgery, and constant fear mongering about a trans genocide that's always just around the corner and you'll get a loud minority of people who genuinely believe most of the country should be killed for disagreeing with them (I know how hyperbolic that sounds but I'm literally paraphrasing from a conversation I had with several)
 I don't think any of the people I talked to would ever take up arms, but I do think that if they saw someone they believed might show signs, they could justify trying to convince them they're actually transgender. 
I've seen it happen in small glimpses, a high school friend of mine who was generally a pretty normal guy acclimated to a "valid" friend group, cut ties with his family and got munchausen by proxy d into microdosing estrogen and believing he had headmates over the next few years.

To answer your question directly, it's a rules for thee but not for me situation. To them being "queer" is simply the more moral option. The more deranged they get, the farther there willing to take that, "egg cracking" (grooming)

>>101192
Ironically, butlers conceptualization of gender being performative, then saying that performance is what makes someone a woman, is literally just reinforcing sexist stereotypes.

But no were the bigots for saying a woman isn't just wearing makeup and dresses.
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>>101197
>no im being serious
So am I. Read the post.
>i know you seem to think its some sort of ego thing
No, it's primarily religious thing.

>>101198
>is that someones actual thoughts on the matter?
It's a guy explaining, as simple as he can, how one aspect of the transgender ideology works, primarily referencing one of the people who brought about it's creation, Judith Butler.

>>101202
>The first paragraph literally talks about unironically being reborn as a transgender Christ via divine awakenings. Dude is schizo as it gets
Here is a direct quote from ANOTHER one the contributors of the modern transgender movement, David Halperin: https://archive.ph/nRpxa
<Unlike gay identity, which, though deliberately proclaimed in an act of affirmation, is nonetheless rooted in the positive fact of homosexual object-choice, queer identity need not be grounded in any positive truth or in any stable reality. As the very word implies, “queer” does not name some natural kind or refer to some determinate object; it acquires its meaning from its oppositional relation to the norm. Queer is by definition whatever is at odds with the normal, the legitimate, the dominant. There is nothing in particular to which it necessarily refers. It is an identity without an essence.
<...
<“Queer,” then, demarcates not a positivity but a positionality vis-à-vis the normative—a positionality that is not restricted to lesbians and gay men but is in fact available to anyone who is or who feels marginalized because of her or his sexual practices.
When you read that, what are you suppose to walk away thinking in regards to how these people see themselves?

>>101204
>Ironically, butlers conceptualization of gender being performative, then saying that performance is what makes someone a woman, is literally just reinforcing sexist stereotypes.
According to their ideology, it's okay when THEY do it because they've awakened to the "truth" of how the world works. That it operates through Marxist power dynamics of the Opressors VS. the Opressed, and seek to take over that system so that they can be the ones in charge.
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>>101202
i think the first paragraph was a sarcastic summary of the following citation
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>>101206
I need a disclaimer on whether a post is dunking on troons or not cause I can't tell whose grooming who anymore
QRD for people that don’t like word walls?
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>>101208
>tldr
kitsunes won and all coons are trans
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>>101208
The TL;DR is that trannies see themselves the "enlightened" ones about the "true nature" of humans. That what we all are is "actually" capital "Q" Queer. However we don't know this because society has been constructed to hide and discrminiate against people who realize it. So what they are trying to do to "awaken" the rest of us by defying reality and revealing it's "contradictions". IOW, getting a sex change isn't to fulfil a fetish, it's to defy how society constructed the human body. Playing as a girl in a game despite you being a guy is an example of how you're only being a guy for "performative" purposes when what you actually are is Queer.

Does that help explain it?
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>>101210
are pov drawings like this agp trans egg coded or however the troon talking point goes
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>>101209
Quit it you.
>>101210
Thank you.
>>101137
My aunt's dog pisses with his mostly cut off anyway. I suppose Darth Vader would have a tube in there depending on how badly it was burned.
>>101211
Do you mean as that the creator of the image intended for it to be "coded", or that trannies can make the argument that it is "coded" regardless of the creator's intention?

Because the former is largely no, unless you're referring to some of those "Otherkin" nuts. But to the latter, absolutely. Because the argument always goes to the extremes of demanding that we remake "dull and boring" reality so that it reflects the world that exists in their heads. This has also created one of their practices known as "negative idealism". In that, while they may have "glimmers" of what this perfect utopian world has, they cannot actually define it in specific detail without "ruining" utopia. So instead they define this utopia by what it ISN'T, and denounce the rest of society for failing to not be utopia.

To use an example from your original complaint. their utopia is a place where people DO NOT refer to you as the "wrong gender". But do not mistake that as meaning it's a society that DOES refer to them as the "correct" gender as that is an affirmable statement, and therefore not "utopia".
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>>101192
>Judith Butler
>Judith Butler was born on February 24, 1956, in Cleveland, Ohio,[1] to a family of Hungarian-Jewish and Russian-Jewish descent.[
Of course.
>>101205
>James Lindsay
Fffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuucccccccckkkkkkkkkkkkkk.
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>>101240
And a random bluexitter user tweet too. Some through stuff here
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>>101214
>they define utopia by defining what isnt
i absolutely see this. ive seen people define what gender is with so many different contradictory definitions with no context difference from when either one is being used. even the ones that dont contridict eachother are so plentiful it becomes too difficult to guess the right one, if the right one was one you have knowledge of in the first place. i guess it ties in with their saying of "gender is different for everyone (although ive also heard them say all people with a given gender share SOMETHING in common) while also making the one restriction that you cannot define it as a person's sex (unless of course youre talking about a fictional setting or some species other than humans where altering your sex is possible in which case it just shows the hypocrisy of the right that they would call those guys as the correct gender)
anyways i think this all backfires pretty hard. after all when the one rule for what you should think when you hear of this "dont think about this thing" its going to make you think of that thing even if its now taboo to do so. its like yelling "don't think of that one embarrassing memory from the one time we went to long john silvers!" youre going to think of that one memory from the time you went into a long john silvers. since the whole purpose of language is to bring up the same idea in others heads, whether they end up accepting or rejecting that idea, this strengthens gender's meaning as being a synonym of the immutable easily observed trait of a person's sex.
before when people were gendered it was all subconscious, i was on autopilot. now im acutely aware of gender being a physical trait, not just out of stubbornness but because that seems to be the most logical train of thought with how the trans community has talked about gender. 
>also saged because while i want to share my ideas on the matter this thread seems to just be getting really pissed at transgenders. i dont want this site to be endless complaining about culture war shit like /v/ has become. a bunch of them only dislike you because they were fed propaganda that you thinking of them as their biological gender means that you want them dead for things they had no control over. there are the ones that do just hate you and wish misery upon you, and for them the most defiant thing you can do is enjoy yourself and a great way to enjoy yourself is to have a board where you talk about things YOU LIKE such as fluffy little guys
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>>101262
>before when people were gendered it was all subconscious, i was on autopilot. now im acutely aware of gender being a physical trait
Even then, that's not quite right. Gender is not a synonym for sex. "Gender" is mostly a literary concept of how you apply sexual characteristics to objects (Particularly in fiction). You know how people personify an innanimate object like a ship or their car as a woman? THAT is what is an application "gender" in action. However, since the 1950's, you've had these nuts trying to change the definition to also apply this literary concept to all of reality and living creatures. And so we now have to arguements about how a fictional concept is...well, a fictional concept. But the argument for them is that the concept even existing is an example of societal indoctrination. Which brings us to another aspect of their beliefs, which is that reality creates fiction and fiction creates reality.

To describe it, it's the idea that creating a fictional idea will cause reality to then fold itself in order to make that idea "real". To provide an example, it's how the idea of handheld communicators in Star Trek or "hands-free" gaming in Back To The Future 2 were "crazy" ideas back in their time, but we now live us in a world where everyone has cellphones and we've had several "hands free" gaming devices (The PS2's EyeToy, the Kinect, the NEX Playground). And in the same way, we see how reality influences and changes fiction, like the shift in ideas and concepts between each version of Star Trek across the decades. So their plan is to "seize means of society and man's production" (This isn't a hollow reference) by controlling the fictional content that is released and how it is expeirienced. This also plays into how they can get away with typically "hypocritical" actions because the excuse comes back to arguing that they "cannot help themseves" as it's the structure of society that's essentially "forcing" them to do it. This also explains the Feminist push behind abortion being a "right", as it allows for them to "defy" the system society indoctrinated them into and forced upon them. And they wouldn't be committing these hypocritical actions had society just "changed" to the utopia that exists in their heads.
>a bunch of them only dislike you because they were fed propaganda that you thinking of them as their biological gender means that you want them dead for things they had no control over
From what I understand, it's more delusional than that. It becomes an argument that because there are people who don't want gay shit in their media, then that means that those people are committing a "genocide" against gays. Because, obviously, people who don't like something "must" want to silence and kill them because there cannot be any other explanation for why they don't allow this practice. This isn't a new idea as Rousseau wanted all of French society to burn because he couldn't have endless sex 24/7 in public.
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