>>93855
>I just don't see the need to play these identity politics. A media or a character does not have to be made a furry or with an intent to please furries in order to become a hit among them. Sure, the animators behind those (pre-80s, I might add) Disney cartoons may have found the characters they drew hot, but some of the viewers just appreciated them more.
If we're discussing furries as a discrete sociological phenomenon caused by as-of-yet-unquantified psychological drives/divergences, then it is relevant. If nothing means anything, then why are we here? Why bring up Undertale having furry undertones if you think it's all incidental anyway?
>The criteria fur being deemed an MMO has definitely degraded over the years, I see, but if he somehow does have 1000 players online right now that sounds like a huge success tbqh.
I was using it more as a short-hand genre descriptor, which was a mistake on my part you were right to point out. It's closer to 500 right now. Whatever.
>What rule?
The rule that only a small minority of the Western furry art projects (how artistic is Atlyss, really? It's some quasi-MMORPG whose only distinctive character is chibi fat anthro women with very scalable secondary sexual characteristics, not all that many degrees removed from the usual Steam shovelware. It's something, but just barely) which manage to get finished actually find success.
>The players are the curation.
And how's that been working out? Does Steam's Popular New Releases tab look a healthy or sustainable place fur culture to be at? If The Market would rather have Orgasm Lab Simulator and PEAK over artfag games, are we as bearers and curators of culture obliged to let them have it?
>Seeing how I still see his characters posted by normies, they must have failed, so perhaps the sway woke have over these things has been overestimated?
He did change the offending 'allegory' sprite, but other than that, they have. I suspect that Toby has gotten too big to fail, but the attacks on his character by South American pride flag fandom rabble are becoming more and more frequent and rabid by the month. If this is what TOBY FOX has to deal with, then nobody smaller or weaker in character than him stands a chance. Also, this happened well into Trump II. "Vibe shift", cultural thaw, Woke on the backfoot and all that.
>You must be living in a first world country; these two are not such a big issue fur the other 7/8 parts of humanity, yet have had to rely on visa and mastercard. The sooner various international websites and services get used to the idea of having a whole list of possible payment options the sooner these two corporations lose their grip on what you are allowed to spend your money on.
Yes, but this is still infrastructure being wrecked by ideological actor groups over vague grievances that any individual member thereof would not be able to defend or justify. IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE THIS WAY. THINGS WERE FINE THE WAY THEY WERE. And if you were referring to feminists and trannies not being issues, co-ordinated "activist" groups of those absolutely are an issue in the third world, the international brigades of SEAsian, MENA and South American feminists are just as much of a nuisance in their home countries as they are on the global internet. They are (partly) why Minionesian Blue Archive cunnyposters are so obnoxious.
>I get that this is a deliberate embellishment but you must be grossly overestimating their % when we add all the thirdworlders.
The thirdie cryptids are tapped into everything far more than you think. Whatever.
>Not necessarily an anthro thing.
Of course, but we're fluffing talking about the anthro side of things.
>Omori has whooping 160 fan arts on e6.
And millions of sales, hundreds of fanarts that aren't explicitly of little boys fluffing each other and is still constantly brought up in videogame and media discourse.
>Prominent anthro elements you say? Let's see the Chinese box office fur the past year to see how Western media with such elements has fared in this largest Asian market:
Prominent and motivated beyond a reasonable doubt by "furry" pathology. I do not think that animated lowest-common-denominator children's movies made by thousands of CGIslaves are great examples of furry media. Zootopia 2. I was going to inb4 you on that one in my previous reply. Zootopia is about humans, human social dynamics and human history behind the absolute thinnest plausible deniability screen of anthropomorphic animals. Zootopia 1 was ostensibly about animals so that the screenwriters could feel comfurtable "tackling the topic of race". Nothing about the first film was motivated by being furry media output, or playing to furry desires. I don't think anybody at Disney expected Zootopia 1 to become such an integral part of "Western furry canon", but the higher-ups certainly knew by the time of the second, and there certainly were at least a couple of people involved in its production that were going to try and make it a "furry" film. STILL. Zootopia 2 succeeded so BIGLY because laundering White heterosexuality WORKS, Nick and Judy are first-and-furemost a White, heterosexual couple, and not an anthro couple; women freaked out over Pawbert because he was a White male archetype (with "yaoi" modifier) that was hitherto not allowed to be portrayed in mainstream media releases since, like, fluffing Twilight.
>8.2 on metacritic. 58 user ratings. I haven't watched that but since it's talking animals in suits tackling adult themes I'll just compare it to Bojack the Horseman: 8.8 score based on 2,832 user ratings on the same website. Maybe the amount of people in the West watching anime is not as high as you imagined after all. Or maybe I found the wrong one idk.
Obviously the people in the West who watch anime don't use fluffing Metacritic. Just shy of 1 million "members" on the page fur the anime on MyAnimeList - whatever the fluff being a "member" is supposed to be in this case. Anyway, Beastars is about [anthropomorphised] animals and what social dynamics would look like in a world where animals had the cognitive abilities and trappings of humans, it is consciously constructed by and fur people to whom that is appealing. Bojack Horseman is about being a sad, balding, ugly Millennial and The Bojack Horseman is a horse because Millennials found that rubber horse mask to be amusing when they were slightly less bald and fat. They are not both examples of furry/anthro media, and you don't need to know all that much about either of the shows to understand why that claim is so ridiculous.
>What, you in a hurry or something? Personally I prefer original ideas over endless adaptations anyhow.
Yes, I am in a hurry because I and everything around me ARE GETTING OLDER. I was illustrating what a serious production pipeline staffed by competent people and sustained by well-cultivated consumers looks like. No ten-year vaporware disaster stories, no need to whip up and burn through hundreds of people doing it fur free only to get a foot through the door and make a name fur yourself. Adaptations are being made, but also a constant stream of NEW STUFF, their culture is not stagnant.
>Japanese people in general are underpaid and overworked, but I'm glad that at least the artists are doing alright, I suppose? Perhaps this is why they have more freelance artists then, because career jobs are literal wageslaving and this is their way out. Then again the guy who drew Berserk couldn't handle it and died at a ripe age of 54.
Most people (barring the billions of useless eaters) already live like this, except that they get nothing in return. At least in Junkofurutacamerashutterpantyvendingmachineseparatetraincarriagesliterallygoingextinctin2moreweeksland, you can pay people fur nice things of lasting value and get them in return on a reasonable timescale.
>Wait, how do I do that?
Be mean and confrontational online with anybody who stands against Progress, and those who are complacent with decline. Like what I'm doing right now. So you better thank me fur my service.