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Fantastic Mr. Fox movie night at 8pm EST on 2026-05-02 >>107569
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CS used to be such a good field that doing multiple unpaid internships seemed worth it, now a senior dev is lucky to get a junior position
what happened?
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>>107166 (OP) 
Junior dev position implies constant oversight though, which no one wants to do and why it's hard to get hired as a junior in the first place. More like the senior's position would still have him bear the kind of responsibility a senior would yet the pay would be like that of a junior.
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>>107167
You are not from Kenya.
>>107166 (OP) 
>what happened?
late stage crapitalism
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> CS used to be such a good field that doing multiple unpaid internships seemed worth it, now a senior dev is lucky to get a junior position
what happened?

Six million Amerimutts got a CS degree and 15 million Indians went through diploma mills.

If you're a zoomer and fell for the CS or Cybersecurity meme, fall back on your parents' connections and work for them.
The gravy train stopped
>>107172
late stage brapzillianism
>>107167
which is why internships exist but even those are very difficult to get into. the IT market is awful right now
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>>107166 (OP) 
1. prompt monkeys are wiping out the entire entry level CS market
2. degree inflation means soon you'll need a doctorate to be an actual software engineer
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>>107166 (OP) 
oversaturation. CS is easiest out of any of the engineering majors, and most CS programs are a joke. couple that with disproportionately high pay (up until 2022ish) and you get what you have now. IT/cybersecurity/anything "computer" is the same thing. the biomasses see high pay with a low barrier to entry and they flock to it. the couple hundred million indians isn't helping things either.
everything is fucked everywhere but the gatekeeping and mediocre pay in other engineering fields keeps things tolerable for juniors, at least for the time being
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The worst thing about slopware engineering is that managers with no idea about actual SE just assumed that writing the code was the bottleneck to SE productivity
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If he knew how to code, he'd know the difference between good code and bad code.  He'd be writing code himself.  Instead...

It's not just CS, either.  The automakers have people making engineering decisions who can't find the "on" switch or the "any" key.
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>>107203
Is there a market that isn't in the gutter these days that doesn't revolve around resource extraction or reselling chinese junk online? Can't think of anything else right now.
>>107344
Scamming the government.
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>>107346
Every single rapefugee from Muslim countries already do that every day. And it's still considered "resource extraction" in some ways.
>>107166 (OP) 
Indians and Artificial Indians.
>>107344
Between AI and Pajeet, the only thing left in the West right now is "elder care."

They told you that computers would do all the drudge work and free you to do science, art, and music.  Nope!  AI does all those things, Pajeet minds the computers, and you're going to wipe Grandma Boomer's ass for minimum wage for the rest of your life.  And you're going to like it.  Or else.
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>>107363
AI can't do shit
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>>107365
Seriously.  The wealth of continents is being shoveled into developing AI with greater and greater capabilities.  They're trying to solve a trillion dollar problem.  What's that problem?  Paying you for your labor.  That's the problem AI is being created to solve.

Yes, petawatt-hours of electricity are being expended from second to second so that people can say "Grok, if I shrank to the size of a pencil eraser, how many ants could I fight?" and "Make a video of my cat kung-fu fighting raccoons," but serious people are already doing serious things with it. Pharma companies are already using LLMs and neural networks to design new drugs, for example, which is great unless you went into debt to get a degree in biochemistry and you end up loading and unloading trucks for minimum wage at Lowe's.  AI is already doing for STEM what it has done for Twitter artists who live on their commissions.

The end state is going to be a 99.9% unemployment rate.  If you are very, very lucky, the people at the top who are pushing for this and promising Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism are going to throw you a few crumbs in the form of UBI and a pod in which to sleep and eat. That's the best case and assumes the people pushing this have a tiny amount of foresight, which is dubious. It's very likely they are going to tear down the economies of every industrialized nation on the planet from within their gated communities, rubbing their hands and giggling like toddlers the whole time. They might imagine they can hire half the poor people to hold the other half at gunpoint so as not to inconvenience them too much. What is clear is that they intend to live like Pharaohs and to the extent that whether you have food and a roof over your head is a concern to them, it's to mitigate the risk of you breaking into their sixth vacation cottage in the Poconos for shelter after one of the hedge funds they own, which owns the apartment building you currently inhabit, raises the rent and evicts you after an AI takes your job.  They may or may not be considering anything whatsoever beyond "All the money's going to be mine!  MINE MINE MINE MINE MINE MINE MINE MINE!  Fuck the peasants!  Let 'em eat cake!  MINE MINE MINE MINE MINE MINE MINE MINE MINE"

One of the things you will notice when you read history, if you are sensitive to the nuances of human behavior and have some grasp of human nature, is that, as the man says, it's always been power, self-interest, and violence all the way down.  We are on the verge of an era where this will be made especially manifest and a lot of the comforting social constructs to which we cling are going to be demonstrated to be, at best, euphemisms.

We live in interesting times.  It's one of the reasons I try so desperately to distract myself with waifur pictures.
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>>107372
@grimbla is this true?
>>107372
>It's one of the reasons I try so desperately to distract myself with waifur pictures.
you're part of the problem
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>>107381
We are all of us part of the problem.  "The avalanche has already started.  It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
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